Obama

[Speedblastr]

The only things Islamic Terrorists understand are the working end of AR 16, the working end of A-10 wart hog, an or an M1-A1 Abrams bearing down on them.

Throwing in a hand full of Tomahawk Missiles wouldn't hurt my feelings either!

I agree more with this statement above than anything else! These Motherfuckers are religious zealots who are committed to die for their beliefs - true or untrue. They need to be re-educated and the quickest way to re-educate motherfuckers like these pieces of shit is at the business end of an American weapon of war!

True. Back in the Crusades, the people they conquered either were killed if they did not submit to Islam during war , Or they were made Jannissaries which were an elite calvary force to the sultan or plain old footsoldiers. The fall of Constantinople today is Istanbul. The sultan got his brass cannon crafted on the spot out of brass by ( Germanic Metal-smiths, undoubtedly Slaves) knocked the walls of Eastern Rome (Constantinople) down. It would shoot 300 lb boulders , they had to cool it off with oil to keep it from cracking. Back to the point.House of Allah. House of war. House of Truce.( Live to fight another day. ) Whoever they conquered became there slaves, oh yes, they could practice there own religion but that's it, to keep them paying. They had to pay tribute. In order to do that they had to conquer and keep some of the booty for themselves. all in the name of Allah. The point is:Ownership. Tribute. Oppression. Remember they started out as Desert Nomads. What are you going to get out of the desert? Conquer. Remember that. Speed.

[Hedge]

I don't care if it gets deployed from one of our many Silent but Deadly Subs that are constantly prowling anywhere they please in the world! Now you see us now you don't!

[drlapo]

so in 1918 it was OK to hate the Kaiser
in 1941 we coudl hate the emporer and the Fuhrer
but now the muslims are just misunderstood
FUCK 'EM and do it now
I lost too many friends when those sand monkies murdered them in World Trade

[Hedge]

Exactly my sentiments!

[drlapo]

I had a 9 am appointment on the 100th floor of the North Tower on 9/11/01
I was late

[hankspeed3]

You said it Hedge. The USS Maine, SSBN 741, Ohio Class. A big mother @#$&*#$% boomer, that cruises the world and no one knows when and were it will strike. A bad ass boat.

Doc, I wow, I am glad you were late that day. I went to the site a few years ago it had been about 2 years after 9/11. It still gives me the chills when I see it on tv or on that day that I was there. Scary man. Thats what happens when liberls (clinton) turn there back on our military and our Intelegence gathering community. Clinton gutted the pentegon/military as well as the CIA. Then he had the balls to let Bin Laden get away when he could have captured him and took him in as a prisoner, but nope, he let him go. Clinton did not want to look like he was tough on terrorism because he had his hands full with the monica/bombing asperin factorys in India. Clinton enjoyed the peace time dividend way too much and got way too lax. And I am afraid of his wife and of this sophomore they call Barack would do the same. Both are too weak on Terrorism. Democrats cut military and inteligence, Bush has to spend to rebuild both, Democrats enjoy the peace time dividend politically and economically, Bush has to fight terror and pays the price politically. No way am I voting for a Liberal Democrat. Ya, I want Mac.

[modre]

[quote= Then he had the balls to let Bin Laden get away when he could have captured him and took him in as a prisoner, [/quote]

you guys look at the 3 shells on the table and assume there's a peanut under one of them...let me explain how the game works...after you guess the wrong shell, the peanut (in the hand) is placed to create the illusion you guessed wrong...this is "the shell game".


Bin Laden is a boogie man under the bed who wants to grab your feet...it's purpose is to put you in defense mode...so you don't wonder around the house to catch your mom doing pole dances and giving BJs.

Bin Laden in the hand is just another martyr mouth to feed..."out there in some cave" he's worth billions in defense contracts and the eternal quest to erode the US Constitution...which is a pesky document that gets in the way of anyone with ambition.

we have the machines to lay it all waste...we've had them for quite some time...it isn't a question of "If" a specific individual can be eliminated...the only question is what purpose does it serve?

a Partiot Act and wire tapping extension bird in the hand is worth 2 terrorists in the bush.


every now and the we hold up a mangy towel head trophy and say..."see the peanut was here...wanna try again for another buck 'Lucky'?"

[JEnfield]

DING DING DING now I have found someone that knows how this goverment works . Its scary shit isn't it now tell them about the UN interaction with this wonderful group of elected officials. You have won the golden prize of being a thinker. Ever wonder after a post like that what that clicking noise is when you talk on the phone. I wonder with the last several days of political posts if some of us aren't on the national watch list . I have hung out with some really strange people in the past the worst was a group of SOG members and if they wanted Bin Laden or anyone else they would have had them drawn and quartered by sun up trust me.

Jimmy

[Speedblastr]

Bin Laden- There will just be another to take his place , you see , these people won't quit ever.There is no truce.They'll just keep coming from saudi Arabia or wherever else and our government is to busy worrying if I put my seat belt on, or will I be smoking in a public place , Fellas I think we've seen the last of trust and security in the ol' homeland as we know it , Oh I'm sure homeland security is doing it's thing......we'll be the last to know or the first. Point is we have a war going on , what about are grandkids and whose gonna foot the bill ?Them ? My opinion ? Government has gotten to big, It was designed to take care of us , I don't see that happenin' or is it just me thinking ........Socialist.

[JEnfield]

Not socialist Speed that would be a American from our generation. Our kids are programed not to question why just how. The law is the ultimate power and you aren't allowed to challenge . I lay awake at nights wondering where we are heading and it doesn't look good.

Jimmy

[modre]

The law is the ultimate power and you aren't allowed to challenge Jimmy

"...certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it"

this amazing stand-up statement is applauded by the common folk, and since power corrupts, is a big thorn in the side of the folks on the long end of the stick...and it's always been so...a good time to review the recorded history of the 'civilized" world.

the game never changes...but every now and then some folks break loose. Slavery ends when the slave stands up and says "no"...otherwise, it's a workable system that's stood the test of time.

as far as "future", there isn't any...it's just an exercise in imagination. the sun runs short on fuel, the meteor hits, the earth crumbles, or you die of cancer or heart failure...all we have is ideas to pass on to the poor saps who follow as the ambitious acquire and the slow thinkers serve.

this has nothing to do with the vague concept of morality...this is simply a still frame in the movie of evolution.

but you can side step it..."turn on, tune in, drop out" was Timothy Leary's version..."the Kingdom is at hand" was the way Jesus put it...someone else said "don't sweat the small stuff...and it's all small stuff".

if you can understand there's no boogie man under the bed, you stop being afraid.

I spent quite a bit of time alone in the woods...and learned not to fear the dark...sure there's aliens, chupacabra's, escaped convicts, and spiders with bad intent...but are they "real"?...or just boogie men?

spiders are real...but they're just creatures who do what they do...you have to conquer the fear.

fear of the dark is a biggie...put yourself thru the test...go out somewhere and just sit while your mind freaks...then master it...dissect it.


elves, trolls, dwarfs, leprichans, fairies, aliens, chupacabras and a whole list of things that got passed along...why?, I'm not sure...other than there was no TV and kids are hard to handle. Somewhere along the line someone found putting someone on the defense was a good management tool.

[Ohio TT]

The biggest problem in the world today is apathy.....but I don't care. (OK I ripped that off from somebody's sig on RAT, so sue me....Oh yeah that's another problem) Never mind.

[mark]

Modre's on the right track.

The thing that frightens me most is that the Constitution has become an inconvenience to those in power, and so they're destroying it, slowly but surely.

There are two basic reasons I will not vote for Obama:
- First, his position on the war. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is on our motives for this war, or even what we've done so far. The fact is, we've done what we've done, and now we have to clean up the mess we've made. Pulling out would create a great deal of instability that would be potentially far more hazardous than simply finishing the job. (That said, we need much better management of the situation.)
- Second, Obama's stand on gun control. If it were up to him, private ownership of guns would be eliminated. This would in all likelihood spark a massive increase in crime (as it did in the UK). Furthermore, a disarmed populace is defenseless against tyranny. And the gradual erosion of the Constitution already has us on the slippery slope to fascism; a disarmed population would remove the last barrier to that. What was one of the first things Hitler did in Germany? Ban guns. Sorry, but I'm an adult, I can think for myself, and I'm perfectly capable of handling a gun. Furthermore, it is my right. Not my privilege, but my RIGHT, and I'm sick of giving up my rights.

Sadly, I think we've already passed the point of no return. True liberty is becoming extinct. If we don't slide down the slope to fascism, we'll just slide down the other side to a quasi-socialist nanny state. I think the best we can do at this point is delay our descent as much as possible.

--mark

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

[Hedge]

Modre's on the right track.

The thing that frightens me most is that the Constitution has become an inconvenience to those in power, and so they're destroying it, slowly but surely.

There are two basic reasons I will not vote for Obama:
- First, his position on the war. It doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is on our motives for this war, or even what we've done so far. The fact is, we've done what we've done, and now we have to clean up the mess we've made. Pulling out would create a great deal of instability that would be potentially far more hazardous than simply finishing the job. (That said, we need much better management of the situation.)
- Second, Obama's stand on gun control. If it were up to him, private ownership of guns would be eliminated. This would in all likelihood spark a massive increase in crime (as it did in the UK). Furthermore, a disarmed populace is defenseless against tyranny. And the gradual erosion of the Constitution already has us on the slippery slope to fascism; a disarmed population would remove the last barrier to that. What was one of the first things Hitler did in Germany? Ban guns. Sorry, but I'm an adult, I can think for myself, and I'm perfectly capable of handling a gun. Furthermore, it is my right. Not my privilege, but my RIGHT, and I'm sick of giving up my rights.

Sadly, I think we've already passed the point of no return. True liberty is becoming extinct. If we don't slide down the slope to fascism, we'll just slide down the other side to a quasi-socialist nanny state. I think the best we can do at this point is delay our descent as much as possible.

--mark

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Well put Mark and I completely agree with everything you said especially your Ben Franklin quote.
Although I find Hitler despicable he did have author these quotes:

“What luck for the rulers that men do not think” – Hitler

“How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think” – Hitler

“Great liars are also great magicians” – Hitler

[Speedblastr]

I must agree with certain points Modre , Like FDR said: " The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." However there is such a thing as a 'healthy fear'. What do I mean by that?I mean it may keep your ass alive...That's why Cave men made Spears and Axes , Fire for that matter. I found this interesting...................................April 30,1789. Senate chamber Federal hall ; Inaugural Address - "When the people shall find themselves secure under an energetic government, when foreign nations shall be disposed to give us equal advantages in commerce from dread of retaliation, when the burdens of the war shall be in a manner done away by the sale of western lands , when the seeds of happiness which are sewn here shall begin to expand themselves , and when every one ( under his own vine and fig tree) shall begin to taste the fruits of freedom - then all these blessings( for all the blessings will come ) will be referred to the fostering influence of the new government....Indeed, I do not believe that Providence has done so much for nothing." - George Washington