Election night_

[hankspeed3]

I'm Hank P and I'm here for the free health care.

[hankspeed3]

dont worry barack is already lowering expecatations. He will have to govern from the middle as the election was no mandate at all. So if he wants to get anything done he will have to govern from the middle. I dont like it any more than you but he did win.


and for all of you who think that we are going to watch and scrutinze him very closely....well your freaking right we are...not only is our duty as citizens....but the liberal freaking democrats have skewered the republicans for 6 years now...oh ya, payback is a bitch....and you can bet its coming. Pelosi, Reed, Schumer, Obama, they so much as fart sideways we going to air it out baby. What did you expect, a free ride?...no that's the liberal press's job. They are so in love with this guy, he could doddle a 21 year old in the peoples office, and get away with it.....like they say in politics, espescially the democrat party, you can be cought with either a dead girl or a live boy, and you can still survive politically. Ask teddy Kennedy, buba clinton, elliot spitzer, barney frank, or that democrat congressmen from florida who just got caught using fed money as hush money for the several skanks he was having extra marital affaris with. Thats the real democrat party. Dont worry, you give them enough rope they will hang themselves.

[ArsnlTim]

I love it, absolutely fucking love it when republicans start bitching about tax money going to the poor. If you look through the history of the United States the economy as a whole has thrived with Democrats in office and struggled under Republicans. Say what you will about Bill Clinton but he operated the country with a budget surplus. This is where someone usually brings up the hero of the Republican party Ronald Regan and the unprecedented economic growth bullshit. News for you, he got out while the getting was good, if you remember correctly the bottom fell out of his oh so fucking brilliant economic policies while George Bush Senior was in office. It's a pretty simple explanation as to why this happens. Republicans give tax cuts to the rich, big business and the idea is that big business spends less in taxes therefore they have more money to give to their workers and then those workers have more money to spend which in turn makes the economy stronger. Call it what ever you will, Trickle down economics, Reganomics, what ever, it's what Regan did, Bush Sr. did and Bush Jr. did and here's the news flash, IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK! While in theory it sounds good, it gives workers more incentive to work harder to reap more benefits from richer employers blah blah blah. Simple fact is, rich people aren't rich because they give their money away, you give the rich more money, that's where it stops, the rich people have more money, end of story. The reason giving money to the poor works better is because when poor people have money they spend it, regardless of what it gets spent on, it gets spent so instead of that money starting at the top and staying there it starts at the bottom and works it's way up so that everyone gets a piece and we're all doing better. So help me, if 'm wrong I'll come to each and everyone of your houses and apologize in person and ask for your forgiveness, but I personally think that in 4 years this nation will be economically stronger and each and every one of us will be doing a lot better than we are now. But until we know who was right one way or the other the best thing the people of this nation can do is support our president and quit bitching about the outcome of the election. There's nothing you can do to change it, the people have spoken.

[Speedblastr]

I love it, absolutely fucking love it when republicans start bitching about tax money going to the poor. If you look through the history of the United States the economy as a whole has thrived with Democrats in office and struggled under Republicans. Say what you will about Bill Clinton but he operated the country with a budget surplus. This is where someone usually brings up the hero of the Republican party Ronald Regan and the unprecedented economic growth bullshit. News for you, he got out while the getting was good, if you remember correctly the bottom fell out of his oh so fucking brilliant economic policies while George Bush Senior was in office. It's a pretty simple explanation as to why this happens. Republicans give tax cuts to the rich, big business and the idea is that big business spends less in taxes therefore they have more money to give to their workers and then those workers have more money to spend which in turn makes the economy stronger. Call it what ever you will, Trickle down economics, Reganomics, what ever, it's what Regan did, Bush Sr. did and Bush Jr. did and here's the news flash, IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK! While in theory it sounds good, it gives workers more incentive to work harder to reap more benefits from richer employers blah blah blah. Simple fact is, rich people aren't rich because they give their money away, you give the rich more money, that's where it stops, the rich people have more money, end of story. The reason giving money to the poor works better is because when poor people have money they spend it, regardless of what it gets spent on, it gets spent so instead of that money starting at the top and staying there it starts at the bottom and works it's way up so that everyone gets a piece and we're all doing better. So help me, if 'm wrong I'll come to each and everyone of your houses and apologize in person and ask for your forgiveness, but I personally think that in 4 years this nation will be economically stronger and each and every one of us will be doing a lot better than we are now. But until we know who was right one way or the other the best thing the people of this nation can do is support our president and quit bitching about the outcome of the election. There's nothing you can do to change it, the people have spoken.

Don't hold your Breath ! LMAO

[JEnfield]

Good on ya Tim I am banking on you being right . Thats what I like about this site everyone has the equal right to speak his or her mind God its good to be American I cant think of a better place to live. I just want you to defend him on Gun Control remember guns cause crime and McDonalds made Rosie fat just like flies cause garbage read his track record let me know what will be in his first ten executive orders.

Jimmy

[mark]

I personally think that in 4 years this nation will be economically stronger and each and every one of us will be doing a lot better than we are now.

This is certainly possible, and a whole lot of people seem to feel that Obama is likely to do a better job with the economy than McCain would have.

Unfortunately the economy is not the only issue he'll be dealing with. Personally, I'm very worried that Obama will send this country into a downward spiral to a socialist nanny state, smothering us with politically-correct, feel-good legislation to protect us from ourselves, which will only serve to worsen crime while outlawing (or making impossibly expensive) practically everything that's fun, tastes good, or is otherwise pleasurable or perceived as contributing to the scientifically-questionable global warming that the liberals love to use as a crutch for their agenda. If I want to eat delicious food that's high in saturated fats and carbohydrates, or smoke cigarettes, or risk my life riding a motorcycle, or go to the range and shoot a target with my legally-acquired, Second-Amendment-protected semiautomatic handgun or "assault rifle," it's MY fucking business and not anybody else's -- certainly not the government's. I already have a mother, thank you very much, and she recognizes the fact that I'm an adult and can make my own decisions about how to live my life. I do NOT need a bunch of overprivileged idiots in Washington telling me how to live it.

--mark

[bruce19]

[quote="hankspeed3"] ......... the election was no mandate at all. quote]


Are you fucking kiidding me? The so called centrist/maverick/war hero loses to a Black/Liberal with a Muslim sounding name and there's no mandate? The mandate is we're sick and tired of the failed Republican Neo-Con agenda. And, as if that's not clear enough both houses are now clearly in the hands of the Democrats. It's one thing to not like the Dems or Obama or "the liberals", but don't take a vacation from reality.

[JEnfield]

Thats right they cant point fingers at anyone now. I just dont believe everyone in this country thinks the president has the power to ruin the economy. Looks like to me the fuckin fingers need to be pointed at those two houses on capitol hill oh yeah the democrocks already control those fuckers didn't they past four years we have been dealing with school yard shit where neither side wants to play fair in the sand box. So Bruce what side is the Democrate in your statement Neo or Con we may of had a dip shit as president but we had assholes in both houses. I made the prediction that the Democrates would inflate and hold the economy till just before the election and then drop it like a hot rock and I was right I made that prediction in 2006 . The only way to solve this type of problem is to place a term limit on every office out there. I didn't like McCain if you remember Mike and I got into a conflict over the fact I called him a fuckin chipmonk so its not that I just wish the sumbitches could get along and do whats best for my country. I do think you have to buy the office these days its called the hollywood effect and I wouldn't vote for any fucker that doesn't know what its like to live on anything below $100,000 a year all of the fuckin pricks are so far out of touch that they couldn't tell you what type of toilet paper they used and how much it cost cause they are all full of shit. I have to budget for my family so we are able to do things like the Bash and put my daughter through college and retire before I am 72 so when you find one of them that can relate to me send him or her down so I can show them how to fix this mess.

Jimmy

[Speedblastr]

Not that I'm a Democrat or Republican ,{ I've voted for every National and Local election by the way } The whole House of Representatives , Senators and Congressman alike , can jump through a giant fucking shit hole.
I've been reading....... It seems as are Vice President,Cheney has wielded more power as a Vice President than any other Vice President in History and probably the last. If " Bush " didn't clue him in....He acted on his own..... Even got his tit in a ringer. [ many x ]
What does all this mean ?
The reality is: Faces change...People don't , unless by a compelling miracle they are willing to do so.
Too many lobbyists > bring on a house bill > If it's worth their (as in who's trying to pass it) while > one might wonder how many things are 'clipped' to it.
I may sound pessimistic , the real fact of the matter is simple..... 'Trust'
I agree with Jimmy... Terms for their Elder Statesmanship.

[mark]

I've started to think that Congress should be filled not by elected representatives, but by drafted ones.

Throw politics out the window. Do away with congressional elections. Instead institute a system similar to jury duty -- every citizen who isn't ineligible (due to mental handicap, extremely poor health, criminal record, etc) has their name in the Selective Service pool, and every two years enough people to fill each state's House of Representatives allotment are randomly chosen from the residents of the relevant state. They're paid the same that we currently pay our Representatives, so it becomes their job for the next two years.

Maybe a House of Representatives that's filled with regular people instead of politicians would be a good balance against the politician-infested Senate and Executive Branch.

--mark

[bennybmn]

I just wish the sumbitches could get along and do whats best for my country.

Jimmy

That's asking a lot.... But I completely agree with you. I see a lot of people talk about doing what's right, and coming together, asking for change, and being labeled as "liberal" like it's a 4 letter word. Since when is optimism a bad thing? I agree it is our job as voters to be somewhat skeptical and criticize our elected officials, but at some point it's ok to make up your mind and get behind someone!

[JEnfield]

If they forget about Democrate or Republican and Black and White and get back to being American and We the People For the People then and only then will we be back on track.

Jimmy

[bruce19]

If they forget about Democrate or Republican and Black and White and get back to being American and We the People For the People then and only then will we be back on track.

Jimmy

It is just as important that "we the people" start looking at facts and avoid becoming "fans" of the Republican and Democrat "teams." When I review the history of the legislation or lack thereof that brought us to this current economic crisis, I see Republicans and Democrats alike contributing to the fiasco. And now, I see some Republicans and Democrats beginning to find commonground with this bailout. My take on it is that their are elected officials who basically represent the monied interests in this country. And, what this boils down to is a battle to save the wealthy (once again) at the expense of the working class. Of course this is a simplistic version of the entire picture. But, what is clear to me is that there are some elected officials who care about the people and some that work for Wall St. and the corporations.

[JEnfield]

I agree Bruce it seems we dont have enough punch to do much about it. I own my bussines and I doubt anyone is going to give me a hand out if I dont run it properly. I am hopeing that this economy starts back north soon with all the lay offs and closings it sure is going to be trickle down economics . I am starting to see the money running out for about 30% of my Client base and if not for understanding and preparing for such I would be in a world of shit right now . I hope things get better soon but I have to agree with the older generation we as Americans have lived high on the hog and need to be brought back into check . The law of supply and demand works every time lower the demand lower the price instead of screw it I want it I am going to buy it. We will see how this next year pans out and I hope for all of us that it works out and we can start the Bash Planning without concerns over jobs and money.

Jimmy

[Speedblastr]

Amen to the last two posts....." We know what's really going on don't we. "Give the King a horse" ! "The king has no horse" ! , one replied , " No kingdom without a horse " !